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zephyreks Mod ,

If news gets traction and interaction from people around the world, who are you to say it isn't world news?

Leaked NYT Gaza Memo Tells Journalists to Avoid Words “Genocide,” “Ethnic Cleansing,” and “Occupied Territory” ( theintercept.com )

The New York Times instructed journalists covering Israel’s war on the Gaza Strip to restrict the use of the terms “genocide” and “ethnic cleansing” and to “avoid” using the phrase “occupied territory” when describing Palestinian land, according to a copy of an internal memo obtained by The Intercept....

zephyreks ,

Separating conflicts into teams when there a children being killed in the tens of thousands seems... A little reductionist?

zephyreks , (edited )

America is occupied with sending aid to Israel. There's only so much money Biden can draw down for foreign military aid with Congress being in the state its in and the budget being in the state its in. It's been the Biden administration's policy that Israel's military needs are important as well and many bills have tied aid for Ukraine to aid for Israel.

zephyreks ,

People want the government to operate without opposition. Almost like in a... one-party state?

zephyreks ,

The same argument can be applied for free market capitalism: it's too fragile and susceptible to corruption and outside influence. The reality is that the big economies of the world lie somewhere in the middle.

zephyreks ,

The entire point of socialism with Chinese characteristics was studying how to achieve post scarcity in a capitalist global economy without losing the leverage necessary for the government to eventually progress towards communism. It's not like this is a unique train of thought.

Marx wrote assuming that revolution would happen in the advanced economies of Germany, France, England, and America. Instead, revolution happened in the agriculturally-dependent economies of Russia, China, and Vietnam.

Study finds voters skeptical about fairness of elections. Many favor a strong, undemocratic leader ( apnews.com )

Voters in 19 countries, including in three of the world’s largest democracies, are widely skeptical about whether their political elections are free and fair, and many favor a strong, undemocratic leader, according to a study released Thursday....

zephyreks ,

Clinton received so much more support from Democrat party leadership, so much more funding from corporate donors, and so much more coverage from mainstream media sources. The fact that Bernie even put up a fight was admirable, but he really had the odds stacked against him.

zephyreks ,

This is inherently a capitalistic issue. The fact that the people at the top value power for the profit it can deliver is the problem. Part of this issue is term limits (which inherently reward short-term gain), but the bigger issue is that capitalism rewards the accumulation of capital above all else, so people with power will seek to accumulate capital.

zephyreks ,

What country has a 90% home ownership rate (in fact, many people are buying second home due to oversupply), 80% without mortgages or liens?

What country net 0.1% CPI recently with 5% GDP growth? (A single RMB can buy 0.1% less goods, but the economy is worth 5% more RMB).

What country is "flooding the world with cheap solar panels" for renewable energy? Leading global reforestation (with, thankfully, no more monoculture plantations).

Different countries have fundamentally different challenges. Let's not pretend like everyone's challenges are the same.

zephyreks ,

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Do people consider the US to not be capitalist because of SEC regulations, the FDA, FAA, and other organizations impeding the free market? Do people consider the US to not be capitalist because of tariffs on, say, Canadian aluminum?

Why do people consider only end-stage communism to be true communism? Why do people consider only end-stage socialism to be true socialism?

zephyreks ,

This is a rather reductionist view of capitalism, socialism, and communism. To understand these systems, we need to take a look at the actual literature.

In 1776, Adam Smith published his work "An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations," which defined the cornerstones of capital, money, and value theory in the context of the changing economies of the 18th century. Smith's work is known for concepts such as "the invisible hand" and "competition prevents exploitation" through free market capitalism.

In 1867, Karl Marx published his work "Das Kapital," which offered a critique on some of capitalism's theories. This work provided the foundation for work on class theory, class struggle, and the notion of socialist/communist states. The key definitions being that capitalism separates the workers (who contribute labour) from the capitalist class (who contribute capital and thus machines and forces to improve productivity) and that socialist states place increasing control of these productive forces in the hands of the state (as opposed to the capitalist class). The other key work towards these notions is "The Communist Manifesto," written with Friedrich Engels. The slogan "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is perhaps the most representative.

Following Marx, Vladimir Lenin wrote critiques of capitalism and described how revolution could be used to achieve a socialist and (eventually) communist society. Mao Zedong's writings discuss the ideas of revolution to achieve socialism and communism from a Chinese perspective, rather than the Russian one that Lenin had. Crucially, while Marx had written on the socialist transition as one for the advanced capitalist societies of Germany and England, Lenin and Mao approached it more from the perspective of how socialism could be realized from the predominantly agricultural economies of Russia and China.

In 1936, John Maynard Keynes published his work "The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money," which looked at savings and consumption in the context of the Great Depression. This work forms the foundation for much of modern fiscal and economic policy in the West. Keynes called for government intervention in support of the economy, deviating from Smith's notions of a free market.

Perhaps the most relevant ideas on the topic today are from Deng Xiaoping Thought, which provided concrete ideas of developing Chinese socialism in the context of a capitalist global economy and in the context of China's predominantly agricultural economy. This work was kick-started by "Putting into Effect the Socialist Principle of Distribution According to Work," which described how China was unable to make progress from the primary stage of socialism due to the lack of productive forces which could be leveraged. Remember that Marx' writings were written from observations of the great industrialized European powers, not the perceived agricultural backwaters of Russia and China.

The crucial concept of Deng Xiaoping Thought is the idea of a socialist market economy. Crucially, that socialism inherently involves the elimination of poverty (pulling people up) rather than the moderation of productivity (pulling people down). As per Keynes, a planned economy with government intervention does not preclude capitalism, and the lack of one does not preclude socialism. Indeed, per Keynes, public ownership of property did not preclude capitalism, and by extension Deng Xiaoping Thought argues that private ownership of property does not necessarily preclude socialism. Indeed, Engels work on the subject discusses that the abolishment of private property cannot happen immediately, and instead proposes alternatives (progressive taxation, inheritance taxes, development of state-owned enterprises) in the meantime for those countries struggling to get past the primary stage of socialism.

Just as a true Smithian free market capitalist economy does not exist, a true Marxist end-stage socialist economy does not exist. If you've any interest in this space, the works of Smith and Keynes on one side and Marx, Engels, and Deng on the other side provide pretty complementary coverage of things. In this framework, Smith, Marx, and Engels can be treated as one group (laying the foundations of the work) while Deng and Keynes can be treated as the ones building on top of those core ideas to adapt them to the realities of the situation (for Deng, China's agriculturally-dependent economy, and for Keynes, the Great Depression).

In practice, we can see the obvious differences between the American and Chinese economies. Whereas the US economy is led by giant multinationals, China's is led primarily by SOEs. Whereas US billionaires who hold productive forces are essentially invulnerable to government prosecution, Chinese billionaires are not. Whereas land in China is either owned by the state or by farmer collectives, land in the US is mostly privately held.

zephyreks ,

No country in the world has claimed to achieve communism. What are you even trying to say?

zephyreks , (edited )

I mean, you're precisely on the right track, which is why no country has ever claimed to be communist. They've all claimed to be at various stages of socialism with the end goal of achieving communism. Economic systems are extremely complex, as are the core differentiators between them. There's rarely a way to cleanly claim "this is true of a capitalist economy but not of a socialist economy" and have that apply to the real world because most economies lie somewhere between free market capitalism and end-stage socialism. The words are horrendously overloaded and have no meaning in comparisons between actual countries. You're mapping a binary statement onto a spectrum.

Having read Marx/Engels, I really do think Smith is a good place to go from there. Not necessarily because his ideas are great, but because it provides a lot of context for the world in which Marx and Engels were writing from.

Edit: perhaps the cleanest way to differentiate the systems is in their goals. Marx writes "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" implying some degree of central planning to improve the lives of people, while Smith writes "By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it" implying that people are "led by an invisible hand to promote an end [for the betterment of society]."

zephyreks ,

The entire foundation of Marxist thought was that the economies in question were industrialized, productive, and developed. Those were, Marx argued, the circumstances for which the progression towards socialism would be natural.

Look now at when socialist revolutions occurred and the state of those countries at that time. It's difficult to argue that those countries were industrialized, productive, or developed.

Lenin and Mao were running off script. According to Marx, every country must transform it's peasants into proletarians. Historically, this had been done through a period of capitalist development. How do you pursue socialist ideals in a country of peasants?

zephyreks ,

This is why citing Wikipedia leads you astray. For example, read more carefully into what the CPC actually claims. They do not claim to have achieved communism.

zephyreks ,

Israel struck an Iranian embassy. Some things demand a response.

Not everyone can be China and shrug off the US bombing their embassy in Serbia.

zephyreks ,

This entire concept has been studied extensively in China, and the conclusion has been that the yield is vastly overclaimed when solar panels are deployed on productive soil.

See: CCTV exposes 8 million RMB solar farm built on prime farmland, leads to plummeting rice yields

zephyreks ,

Your claim is that... China has incentive to reduce deployments of solar panels by criticizing the deployment of solar panels over agricultural land? We're talking about the same China, right? World leader in solar panel production, being criticized by American and European leaders for overcapacity in solar panel production? I just want to make sure we're on the same page here.

zephyreks ,

What's the incentive structure for which China would want people to deploy fewer solar panels?

zephyreks ,

There are also crops that do well in Siberia, but this is prime agricultural land.

zephyreks ,

Your claim is that a PRC news source wants people to deploy less solar panels.

zephyreks ,

BBC? CBC? NPR? RFA? Al Jazeera?

What, exactly, do you think the incentive is for a PRC news source to discourage solar panel adoption?

zephyreks ,

Jeez my bad the government responsive for legislating the sale of my broadcast rights has no oversight into the operations of my media company. Silly me.

zephyreks ,

In the name of national security, who cares about the rights of a few foreigners living on foreign (allied) soil? This isn't a coincidence, this is literally a core component of US foreign policy.

zephyreks ,

Myanmar and the PRC have been trying to address the same problem in northern Myanmar. See: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/12/21/asia-pacific/crime-legal/china-myanmar-civil-war-cyber-scam/

Fugitives from China fled the country following a domestic crackdown on cybercrime and now they're stuck elsewhere. These fugitives kidnap and traffic Chinese citizens and force them to work for cybercrime centers abroad.

zephyreks ,

What many people don't realize is that Quebec is poor.

zephyreks ,

This is an extremely reductionist take on Vietnam and ignores, y'know, the Vietnam War.

In fact, it's a completely reductionist view on the entirety of ASEAN. Just as Canada and Mexico are forever coupled to America's industrial gravity, ASEAN is forever coupled to China's industrial gravity. You can have infighting, but you don't piss off both your largest trade partner and the country that simultaneously supplies the market and expertise for your continued economic development. The ex-United States of the Philippines is an exception because of obvious reasons

zephyreks ,

Palestine was relying on some type of pan-Arab response or Arab unity, but now it seems as though the only country that has any influence on Israel in the region is Iran. Everyone else is either beholden to other interests or reeling from decades of conflict.

‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza ( www.972mag.com )

One source stated that human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing — just to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male. This was despite knowing that the...

zephyreks Mod ,

This is probably the most horrifyingly depressing article I've read in the past decade.

zephyreks Mod ,

Please add a sarcasm tag.

zephyreks Mod ,

I acknowledge this.

zephyreks Mod ,

I mean, I appreciate the fact that I'm getting down voted because it means we've moderated this community well enough that nobody thinks this is serious. I take this as a positive.

zephyreks Mod ,

Copium at it's most refined form

zephyreks ,

There's been rather public infighting on lemmy.world based on the pinned posts on this community.

A moderator on this community (@MightBe) collected community feedback on a post (https://lemmy.world/post/10102462) because of discontent with how the community was being run. The other moderators were unhappy with that mod, so they removed him, removed the post, and pinned this post instead: https://lemmy.world/post/10656753

I'm not sure what's going on in private, but publicly there's been a lot of drama. It's also been revealed that some members of the current group of moderators have been rather unprofessional imo. I'm quoting from a previous comment:

Some mods have also been deleting comments that add context to mod abuse. @naturalgasbad gave me the full DM context for their "bad faith argument" with a moderator (they did not specify which one), which I posted in a comment in the other pinned thread. It's a rather childish escalation sequence imo. That comment was deleted for "violating Rule 6", but I have copied it below for the record:

For the record, naturalgasbad sent me their exchange with the moderator, which stemmed from the moderator in question removing SCMP articles due to "SCMP not meeting reliability guidelines."

@moderator:

Al Jazeera is reliable when they aren’t talking about things that involve Qatar, that seems to be their specific blind spot.

Kyiv Post and the Telegraph I haven’t specifically looked at, if they get reported I’ll check them out.

@naturalgasbad:

Literally by the standards on SCMP you quoted, they’re unreliable.

@moderator:

SCMP: Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sourcing.

Al Jazeera: Mixed for factual reporting due to failed fact checks that were not corrected and misleading extreme editorial bias that favors Qatar.

You: “bUt ThEyR’e ThE sAmE!!!”

Poor sourcing is poor sourcing. You picked a shitty news agency. Try to do better next time.

(for reference, the Daily Telegraph is also "mixed due to poor sourcing" and Kyiv Post is "mixed due to failed fact checks")

@naturalgasbad:

MBFC claims SCMP has poor sourcing based on the suggestion that they’re misrepresenting the US import ban on China (the one “failed fact check” according to them). That’s how MBFC gives the commentary on their ratings. It’s based on a sample-size of one. There’s no long-term commentary provided by MBFC because their entire ratings system and commentary is based on sampling a small number of articles (we don’t know which ones) and going off of what goes wrong within that sample.

It’s also reflecting the problem of a US-based bias assessment > website: it suggests that ideas within the US Overton window are “correct” will those shared by the Global South are “less correct.”

From what I can tell, some of the problem is what they assume the basic level of skill is for readers. A few weeks ago, I posted a story about SCMP reporting on a research study published in Science. Members of this community failed to find it, despite being told the subject, authors, where it was published, and when it was published. That’s not poor sourcing, but poor research ability on behalf of the readers.

@moderator:

Continuing to argue with a mod who has made their decision will not win you any favors. Keep it up and you’ll get a ban on top of having your shitty links removed, oh, wait, you’ve already been banned for abusing the report feature. I can easily extend that.

@naturalgasbad

But again, MBFC’s entire commentary on SCMP’s issues is reliant on this single sentence from a single article. It’s inherently because MBFC relies on a small sample set of each site to determine a rating because they lack the manpower and the educational foundation to provide comprehensive analysis of a news source. Either way, that article was an editorial, not a news report. (In any cases, SCMP is commenting on Chinese reports written in Chinese, which American readers struggle to find because they don’t speak Chinese).

[The [U.S. import ban] has been taken without evidence being provided.]

Unlike SCMP’s reporting, Polygraph is unable to source the article this claim can be found in. From the articles I can find that, SCMP is comnenting based on this statement:

[The ban creates a “rebuttable presumption” that any Xinjiang goods were tainted by the use of forced labour – a “guilty until proven innocent” principle that effectively inverts US customs laws related to forced labour]

In fact, Ad Fontes’ media bias chart considers SCMP to be “reliable” (reliability score of 41.56 on a 0-64 scale) and “centrist” (bias score of -3.3 on a scale of -42 - 42). This is on par with Al Jazeera (41.65, -6.71) and New York Times (41.92, -7.96) and better than Washington Post (38.08, -8.69). (Ad Fontes also has issues, but your obsession with MBFC in particular is a little odd).

@moderator:

7 day ban. Want to go for 30?

@naturalgasbad:

I cited Ad Fontes. Feel free to criticize their methodology.

@moderator:

30 days. Keep going.

@naturalgasbad:

So… Do you not like Ad Fontes’ methodology, then?

@moderator:

And permaban. Good luck on your next account.

zephyreks ,

Mod abuse? Impossible.

zephyreks ,

You can also do this with a bike if you're skilled at controlling your bike's direction from the seat pole.

zephyreks Mod ,

Please use direct sources where possible. Post locked, please see this post for the direct source: https://lemmy.ca/post/18003376

zephyreks Mod ,

If you're going to condemn a source, please provide evidence of cases where they have misreported in the past on similar issues.

For example, you could point to the New York Times' article by Anat Schwartz as evidence that the New York Times has pro-Israel bias.

zephyreks Mod ,

Really? Citing MBFC? What are you going to do next, ask an LLM what it thinks?

If you want to judge your media consumption off of some guy with no pictures online, no public interviews, and a "strong grasp of the scientific process" gained through (supposedly) a physiology degree and half a communications degree, be my guest. Just don't launder it's reliability here.

zephyreks Mod ,

Ad Fontes reports SCMP's reliability as 41.56, which is higher than the Washington Post (39.42) and on par with the New York Times (42.00), Al Jazeera (41.55), and USA Today (41.27). Ad Fontes ranks it lower than institutions like the BBC (44.72) or NPR (43.49) as well as newswire services like Reuters (45.62), AFP (47.15), and Associated Press (45.64).

Your other references are Wikipedia and Reddit. Are you sure you don't want to cite what Google Gemini says as well?

Edit: for reference, Ad Fontes puts FOX News at a 35.49, MSNBC at a 34.39, and the New York Post at a 32.98.

zephyreks Mod ,

Anyone who's used both Douyin and TikTok would see that the most salient differences are that the content is not shared and some regulatory details like requiring a Chinese number to register for Douyin.

If you haven't, then you're clueless.

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