TankovayaDiviziya , (edited )

My concern is that Reddit will still be one of the biggest social media site that hosts multiple valuable resources that had been gathered for nearly 20 years. This reason alone will not dissuade users from leaving. I love AskHistorians, but I doubt they will migrate somewhere, and the treasure trove of knowledge from the subreddit could not be moved elsewhere. Reddit knows this so they will continue with their shenanigans.

Edit: clarity

PhAzE ,

Remember when reddit used to have great AMAs to look forward to? Or when askreddit wasn't all sex questions from 13 year old kids? Or when wtf was actually wtf content? Ah the good old days.

Omniraptor ,

The last two weren't ever true

nathan ,

In the old days WTF was fucked up shit haha

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Or when it wasn't run by Zionists and people with political agendas?

Cethin ,

That never existed.

GreatDong3000 ,

Or when r/all wasn't filled with Reddit soap-opera content in AITAH, TIFU, relationshipadvice, etc which are clearly fanfic and everyone pretends like they are real.

I just saved two homeless kids from being run over by a firetruck am I the asshole?

TankovayaDiviziya ,

which are clearly fanfic and everyone pretends like they are real.

"Oh WhO cArEs?! ThEy aRe sTilL eNtErTaInInG! "- thirteen year olds

BluesF ,

And BORU was actually interesting stories instead of... Compilations of other redditors' creative writing.

gravitas_deficiency ,

I’m sad how far Reddit has fallen from its peak.

At the same time, I’m quite glad I left it a year ago.

BobbyNevada ,

I tried to go back, but it feels hollow. Plus, the shit ton of ads didn't help.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Oh, absolutely. It’s completely lost its appeal for me. Moreso because a ton of the more technical subs I used to frequent were populated by power users, and a significant fraction of those users have very aggressively and thoroughly scrubbed their accounts. We’re mostly all on Lemmy now :)

Skepticpunk ,

Out of curiosity, what subs did you hang out on that had the power users migrate over to Lemmy?

gravitas_deficiency ,

Eh, I should clarify.

That’s more of an inference on my part, judging from how often I come across threads that have a ton of the comments scrubbed to nonsense and/or deleted. It’s more noticeable when you have an extremely particular error or config issue that you’re digging around for. Used to be that you could just dump a part of the error message into google, append site:reddit.com, and usually get a pretty precise answer to your problem. Nowadays, its way harder to find, because much of the really good historical stuff got scrubbed (and, by extension, the users providing those answers are gone), and recent content is much more polluted with LLM-generated crap, which I simply do not trust for stuff like this.

applepie ,

they drove away the back bone of content and replaced with shiti bots to try to drive engagement. it is not that obvious at first but a while a you just feel that it is dead.

SEO killed google search, whatever this shit is deff killed reddit.

volumes of content being generate tho...

bradorsomething ,

Most of you don’t remember, but way back when, ad money was crazy when no one knew how to advertise online. Banner ads could get $2 a click. It collapsed around mid year 2000. I see the same happening here.

PlantDadManGuy ,

Sync for Lemmy now spams your screen with ads unless you fork over cash for the premium version. I immediately switched to connect app

BobbyNevada ,

I'm be honest, I bought the premium version with my fat Google opinion money. What else can I do with it?

figaro ,

For real, I think it's worth it. I use the app almost every day, and the app is easily the most intuitive for Lemmy.

Jerboa fans, go back to your terminals 😅 jk.. sort of

jelloeater85 ,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

I literally never see ads on it.

the16bitgamer ,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

There is a handful of smaller communities that still exists that are still good. But most of them are gone or filled with content farming spam.

bradorsomething ,

Your upvotes are at 69 so I just want to say nice post.

IsThisAnAI ,

It's amazing to me so many people expect privacy while blasting their mouth online. Everyone has been scraping that data for years.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

It's amazing to me that so many people have accepted a completely warped conception of consent and continue to argue that it's ok.

wizardbeard ,
@wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Suggesting common sense pratices and understanding of how the world works isn't being supporting of the state of things. I see no argument in the comment you replied to that it's ok.

Time isn't infinite, and if I have to choose only one option then I'd focus on helping people make their way through the world that currently exists, rather than focusing on impotent ranting about how things should be.

We can't just snap our fingers and live in the world of how things should be. Until we get there we all have to live in the world that is.

IsThisAnAI ,

Jesus Christ. It's a PUBLIC forum . My head hurts. I'll be here channeling my inner boomer at 38 apparently.

You consented when you made the choice to use SOMEONE ELSES PUBLIC COMMUNICATION PLATFORM.

retrospectology , (edited )
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

No, there is a point beyond which the use of data becomes unethical and outside what normal people would actually consider what they reasonably consented to.

If you post on a forum, and I collect your data, create a unique writing style profile for you and then match it against other data I scrape or buy from across the web, perhaps your address you used to buy something that was also released to third-party advertisers because you didn't read some three mile long EULA and I'm able to find all those details, then I use that data and go murder you I don't then get to argue in court "Well, they posted all that info online, so they were consenting to me using their data in this circuitous, unintuitive way. They wanted me to commit this crime against them."

That's not consent. That's a sociopaths conception of consent.

I get the tech cult has made it really difficult for people to understand these concepts, but it is not ethical to pretend that when people post on a social media page with the purpose of having discussion and debate that they also intend for their data to be used in these other tangential ways.

Black_Gulaman ,

If you post your name and address in a corkboard in a public hall. You shouldn't be angry if the mayor or anybody uses your name and address for their benefit. Nobody forced you to post those publicly. Morality is just a social construct anyways.

unreasonabro ,

Morality is not only a social construct, you have it naturally as a child and if you've forgotten that I am sorry - I know a lot of people don't remember anything of their first six or seven years of life. However, you observe morality in children even if you're not railroading them. That "natural morality" is informed and altered by the society you live in, certainly, often in compromising ways that make you less, not more, moral, but to insist that morality is entirely socially negotiated is to negate your own lived experience, which is neither objectively nor subjectively a path to truth.

As someone who lived in seven different places by the time i was five, and who experienced several events involving extreme violence during that time which left a powerful impression, and furthermore due to my experience as a father, and in spite of my education as a psychologist which daftly and without basis (though with a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence) insists otherwise, i tell you with certainty - morality is innate.

trashgirlfriend , (edited )

Morality is a social construct

If I hear one more motherfucker use this to disregard a concept I am going to go apeshit.

Everything made by humanity is either a social construct or caused/influenced by social constructs because we are extremely social animals.

Black_Gulaman ,

Yes all of our norms are a social construct. But pretending that another person is more superior than another simply because the other OP aligned themselves on one of these social constructs is very ridiculous.

Just let others live their lives, let them choose what they want, let them suffer the consequences. I hate seeing the other OP forcing their belief on others. Just live and let live.

trashgirlfriend ,

Huh?

How is "I'm not giving implicit consent to use my speech and work for free in your shifty AI" forcing their beliefs on you?

If anything you're the one who is in favour of giant corporations forcing themselves on the rest of humanity.

IsThisAnAI ,

Normal people don't shout in public places and expect privacy.

frauddogg , (edited )
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You're arguing with the worst of silicon feudalist techbros; despite their being ersatz capitalists(because 99.999% of them don't own capital, they're just the bootlickers), you will never be able to convince them that their feudal lords should be paying for the data they hoover up and profit off of because they consider us the supply. To them, 'supply does not get to make the demands'.

applepie ,

The issue is not the scrapping of public internet here, the issue is that reddit thinks they own my shit posting lol

littlebluespark ,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

I am Jack's unconcealed surprise.

sharkfucker420 ,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh so now the data is being sold instead of given away freely lmao

over_clox ,

See my other comments in this thread. Mangle your previous Reddit comments however you see fit, and let them sell your mangled garbage...

maynarkh ,

Run it through an AI to accelerate model collapse. In fact make more comments, but run all through an AI first.

VirtualOdour ,

This is another delusional fantasy from people who don't understand how the models work or the basics of statistics.

Ai isn't going to collapse due to bad data and adding noise won't have any effect because it's statically irrelevant. Newer approaches also have various checks built in for veracity so gpt5 going forward it'll have even less effect.

That doesn't change the fact trying to destroy a technology which will disproportionately benefit the most impoverished people on the planet by allowing them to access vital services such as education in their first language is a frankly evil act. And that's only one of the thousands of positive use cases for natural language computing and ai.

dfecht ,

"Trust us, this is the exploitation of human labor that will finally make life better for everyone!"

  • Capitalists, every time
VirtualOdour ,

Freeing people from the effects of poverty is good regardless of it coming about in a system which is often exploitative. Beyond capitalism bad you have no argument yet you shrug off that complaint with literally everything else you do - if you really thought capitalism is evil then the concept of copyright would be disgusting to you, but you love it when it allows you to rent seek or gate keep.

You are here on the internet despite every bit of it being run by private companies. You play video games and whatever else without the slightest concern but a tech that could allow poor people access to education angers you simply because you feel it devalues the privilege your global affluence and education have brought you.

I hope you realize that this isn't going to look good for you in retrospect, when the global south isn't being exploited to benefit western nations becauae we have ai tools able to supply the vital service required to improve things people will shake their heads remember people once tried to disrupt and defeat such a useful and important technology.

Monument ,

I used a tool to mangle my comments last June, manually verifying that every single comment in my decade+ account history was changed.
About a month ago I looked at my profile, and several comments — including ones on the first page of my profile (that I definitely know would have been edited, that close to the top) — were reverted to their unedited state.

I wonder if an edit then delete would do it - multiple steps.

pixelmeow ,
@pixelmeow@lemmy.world avatar

They probably look for edits after a certain amount of time has passed from the original comment or post. It wouldn’t matter how many edits you make after that initial time period. They’d just revert back to the one before the long time period, if it exists. That’s how I’d do it, anyway.

kd45 ,

If you think Reddit doesn’t have a versioning system for comments, I have some bad news for you. Assume everything you post online is public forever.

over_clox ,

Meh, it is what it is, I get that. Still, it's rewritable storage on my end, so I'm like what can I do with it?

unreasonabro ,

in their defense, it was probably also being sold before.

pete_the_cat ,

Unfortunately, we see more and more commercial entities using unauthorized access or misusing authorized access to collect public data in bulk, including Reddit public content, worse, these entities perceive they have no limitation on their usage of that data, and they do so with no regard for user rights or privacy, ignoring reasonable legal, safety, and user removal requests. While we will continue our efforts to block known bad actors, we need to do more to restrict access to Reddit public content at scale to trusted actors who have agreed to abide by our policies. But we also need to continue to ensure that users, mods, researchers, and other good-faith, non-commercial actors have access.”

So, pay to get access, like Google did with their $60 million deal. We're nothing but money to them.

TheWolfOfSouthEnd ,

My favourite one is when a company says it’s “investing in the local economy” by setting up somewhere, but odds are these jobs are gonna be minimum wage. No, you making money off people, you aren’t there to invest in anything.

Asafum ,

We’re nothing but money to them.

Welcome to capitalism?

Always has been.

Illuminostro ,

You always were.

subtext ,

They do so with no regard for user rights or privacy

Yeah but throw them a buck and all those rights and privacy go away

ZWQbpkzl ,

Interest rates rise, investors want returns, companies make cuts to make profits. Public API is just an expense.

over_clox ,

You fellow Lemmings / banned Redditors wanna try to have some fun? Let me know if you can view my edited comment, edited well after my ban...

https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/comments/wj03s4/2012_mazda_5_salvage_title_8k_good_deal_50k_miles/ijemmwu

Please let me know if you folks can or can't read my post-ban edited comment. I'm experimenting on how much I can do with my old banned Reddit account.

Evotech ,

We don't know how deletions work on the back end of Reddit. It might just be marked deleted but exist on the servers. And I assume that's the case. Especially for things >24 hours

over_clox ,

Still, I just edited my comment from like 2 years ago, under my banned account, under a deleted post...

I got 7 years worth of Reddit comments I can edit! I could make my own custom fragmented Base64 filesystem with my old comments LOL!

Evotech ,

Good luck :p

over_clox ,

It's still just a fresh idea that's only been bouncing around in my head for the past few days.

Had to get confirmation others can see it first before considering how to proceed.

I'm not exactly in any rush, but it's a proof of concept...

over_clox ,

I just tried editing another old comment to drop in the entire Bee Movie script.

Reddit gave me an error that said it must be under 10,000 characters. Welp, now we know the limits!

FlihpFlorp ,

We’re pushing the system on what is possible

I believe it was in gurren lagan where they said “reject common sense to make the impossible possible”

over_clox ,

Anything is possible, especially with teamwork..

Whether I fully master this sort of process first or not is beside the point. It really takes teamwork.

I'm just proving the concept to start with...

Scubus ,

I dunno if Id take gurren lagann as gospel, they were a big fan of touching the untouchable

FlihpFlorp ,

That was my goal in quoting it

Tomato666 ,

Make sure you use those 10000 characters as wisely as possible to thwart good compression.

over_clox ,

Ah, I like the way you think!

GregorGizeh ,

Back when i left reddit after the 3pa fiasco I used a browser side script to sift through all my comments and posts, edit them to a fuck spez message, and then delete. Made the whole process very convenient.

It is called power delete suite

over_clox ,

And actually, it is known how Reddit flags deleted stuff. They flag it with 999.

We can thank Camas for that...

https://search.pullpush.io/

wizardbeard ,
@wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

They store the current edit and one previous version back, and deletion does not count as an edit as it only hides the latest version from showing on the front end and through the api.

This was found out by people trying to edit and delete comments in mass during the api exodus.

So you'd want to edit the comment to garbage twice before deleting it, and hope they aren't willing to restore shit from deeper backups they surely have for system safety (speaking as a systems engineer) that they haven't pulled from yet.

over_clox ,

Ah, this is useful knowledge, thank you fellow Lemming!

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I did this about three or four times with Power Delete Suite before the APIs were snuffed out; and my stuff's still gone. I check back about every three months.

voracitude ,

Does this help?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/22bdc084-3d15-401c-8670-41cd3b3e4324.png

over_clox ,

Yes! This confirms others can access and view my edit!

Sightline ,

I can even reply to it.

over_clox ,

Haha, cool cool!

pete_the_cat ,

I can see it.

over_clox ,

Cool beans!

I just stress tested the idea with the entire Bee Movie script, Reddit said it has to be less than 10,000 characters..

So now we know the limits!

pete_the_cat ,

Hahaha nice!

drctrl ,

I can see the comment

Mycatiskai ,

I searched my name and found a few times my name was mentioned in replies. I looked at the parent comment which were mine and though my names is Deleted, my comments were back not edited and deleted. I assume that they have undone all the changes I made.

over_clox ,

Oof. Well, I have no particular expectations anyways, just seems like a fun thing to experiment with.

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