spidervl , (edited )

I had a Hexbear account for about a month, and noticed whenever I logged in or refreshed the webpage that someone else's username would momentarily appear at the top right of my desktop screen where mine would normally be, and then mine would appear.

This had never happened with any of my user accounts in other instances, and I was considering deleting it out of fear that my username (and, perhaps, login credentials) might somehow get compromised.

Anyway, I ended up deleting it for something else -- the very same reasons often mentioned in the comments here, after experiencing some of that toxic shit firsthand. Good riddance!

Socsa ,

Don't forget the role which .ml which plays in enabling the hexbears. Without .ml, the hexbears would effectively be cut off from the fediverse at this point, and likely wouldn't feel the need to brigade at all.

KillingTimeItself ,

hexbear the instant someone even so much as dares to comment a dissenting view point.

empireOfLove2 , (edited )
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It's funny how butthurt they always get about the simplest shit. It's kinda hilarious.

Their instance has always been blocked on my end since the second lemmy added the instance block feature, but since that only gets rid of posts, my individual user block list has grown to about 40 hb users by now. Life gets better every time I add one to it.
I hopped over there for a second and saw them gloating about banning you from their instance like it was some huge win. And then shitting on db0 because they're "not real pirates" because they.... don't support dictatorships or something? Lol wtf?

Do not ever try to reason with them because you are burning your breath. I am surprised you have tolerated them this long. Quite literally, the only thing that can ever be done with hardcore radical trolls is blocking or defederating. Removing their voice always hurts them the most, because their only source of energy is controversy.

I think the rest of us reasonable folk really love what you do here db0. This has been by far the most stable, cleanest instance I've been on so far, and i've tried 3 or 4 of them. don't let the assholes try and pull you down for not kowtowing to their weird ideology. Keep it up!

Edit: And as expected, the downvote brigade is monitoring this post, lol.

KillingTimeItself ,

And then shitting on db0 because they’re “not real pirates” because they… don’t support dictatorships or something? Lol wtf?

the dbzer0 shitpost was funny lmao. Cry harder next time.

dbzer0 is honestly one the better instances out here (though im biased obviously)

barsquid ,

Would be a great feature if we could block all users of an instance.

WeirdGoesPro ,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The real question is: how to we harness the power of their toxicity to build an army worthy of Mordor?

db0 OP Mod ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Sadly no way has been found yet to harness the power of the terminally online trolls.

WeirdGoesPro ,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Then they have elected…the way of pain.

a_wild_mimic_appears ,

to be honest: hexbear is an awful instance, and to me absolutely nothing would be lost if we just defederated from them. they are a constant source of drama, are awfully quick with the banhammer if they get criticized, and have cultivated an echo chamber that makes any meaningful discussions with them impossible. comparing them to lemmygrad is more than valid, and noone bats an eye when someone defederates from that cesspool.

i'm really for keeping as many doors as possible open, but the big question is if we really want the door open to an openly authoritarian and for the most part radicalized community. looking at the comments here, i can see that i am not the only one who thinks this way.

empireOfLove2 ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

let's also not forget that they tend to infect all other connected instances too, there's a high number on .ml that are basically Hexbear satellite offices where almost every single commenter is a hb user.

KillingTimeItself ,

you can always refederate after the fact if you want to, It's not like a fusible cpu in an xbox 360 or something lol.

ArmokGoB ,

Preach

WeLoveCastingSpellz ,

I have them blocked personally, awful server

Draconic_NEO ,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You may want to remember that blocking servers in lemmy only really targets the communities and doesn't target users from the instance. So in these situations it kinda doesn't do anything. It's a common misconception that instance blocking in Lemmy is stronger than it actually is and many people think it does things that it doesn't actually do.

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

then defederate?
hexbear and lemmygrad should burn in hell, they're one of the worst places on the internet

JackbyDev ,

Only instance admins can do that though lol

Melatonin ,

That's what he is

JackbyDev ,

I see nothing indicating that but it's not like there's an "INSTANCE ADMIN" flag lol.

Draconic_NEO ,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You're either confusing me with someone else or whatever app you're using is broken because I am not an instance admin here.

Also even if I was it still wouldn't be my decision alone and would be up to the rest of the team to decide, because that's how a large instance is run, you don't just go do big things like that randomly without having a discussion about it first.

CC: @vox

Eyck_of_denesle ,

The only part I hate about lemmy is this. Constant whining about other instances. Can I block this instance on my app and still be able to access piracy instance?

TaterTotTits ,

🤣

ZombiFrancis ,

These threads are so fuckin' weird from my instance. They keep coming up like clockwork every couple weeks.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I've blocked, like, 5 HexBear users and then haven't seen a single shitty post or comment from that instance since. Either they are all banned from the other instances/communities, or it's really only 5 dickheads.

eestileib ,

It was more like a few dozen for me, but same experience.

empireOfLove2 , (edited )
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

There are a lot of dickheads, but a lot fewer of them intentionally reach outside their instance to harass other people. The problem arises when the originating instance's mods/admins take no action to control their brigadiers.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I had to clean up a bunch of obvious bot spam from FoodPorn yesterday when I noticed it all after accidentally clicking into the community and leaving my all feed. I am now not sure if the report feature works; all the posts had tons of down votes but my report inbox has never had anything in it.

If other mods are relying on the report feature and it's broken, it would explain why even the active mods are slow to react to things.

C4RC0S4 ,
@C4RC0S4@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Do you think it is possible then that there was a delay in reports on hexbear, regarding posts criticizing db0?
Did @db0 even report any of the posts referenced in the image?
If you moderated a user and that user then sent you a message calling you a piece of shit, would you expect your admin to stand up for you and ban the person harassing you?

Neither I nor any other hexbear user complain about the myriad of posts or comments slandering hexbear users their mods/admins that come out every single day, yet a small portion of these come for db0 (which are now moderated to the best of my knowledge) and there is a big problem.

I would like to remind you that timezones exist, and I am in MSK time zone and there are delays compared to those in others.

db0 OP Mod ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I literally reported posts publicly for rule 7 violation, at which point I got abused for saying that. To my knowledge none of the people who did this were sanctioned.

Also, I'm not particularly interested in training your cops. It's your whole culture that created 10 different posts shitting on our instance and our admins and that is not fixed by more prompt reporting.

Say what you will about random people complaining about hexbear, it's individuals here and there. if you had threads upon threads dedicated to flinging insults and disinfo about your instance and your admins, I suspect you might want to defend yourself sometime, like you felt compelled to do just now.

C4RC0S4 ,
@C4RC0S4@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I've reviewed the past week of reports and literally see 0 made by you. Outside of reports I've asked any posts made regarding db0 mods or admins to be removed, if I've missed any that specifically reference you or others please let me know, and I'll address them in context of community/site code of conduct. I apologize if there are any that were allowed to stay up for an extended period of time.

Commenting is not the same as the report function. Yes, I do trust the hexbear moderators to handle their communities as they see fit, if you were to see the amount of posts/comments on hexbear you could understand the need to delegate. In addition, I personally believe in horizontal power and entrusting the site to those that stand up to take responsibility for the community. There is an established method for questioning mod decisions, either the feedback or hexbear community. I recognize that it may be unclear to non-local users, if I may what is the db0 process for handling disputes for mod actions?

Do you think that if one of your moderators was sent a direct message calling them a piece of shit, you would act differently?

I dispute the accusation that there were 10 different posts, rather there were three that are removed. If there are others, please send me the link so that they can be addressed.

Is it fair to expect the admins to individually review over 3 million comments without having reports to guide us to those made in violation of rules?

Have you ever done a lemmy search for "hexbear"?

I think you will find there are many threads flinging insults and disinfo about us and I would say that I don't feel the need to defend, in fact had you or Unruffled heeded my advice about making a non-admin account to comment/post on we would not be in this situation.

Based upon the praise in this thread and in the hexbear vote regarding db0 you would see the positive outweigh the negative of you and your instance.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I've reviewed the past week of reports and literally see 0 made by you.

If the report function doesn't work (or isn't federated when made by users not on your own instance) then that would be consistent.

db0 OP Mod ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Commenting is not the same as the report function

I'm not the kind of person who goes to some other's community and starts hitting the report buttons because someone insulted me (although I am fairly sure I did that as well when I reported the rule 7 violation once?). I would assume your own established people who do that themselves instead of attacking me for reminding them their own comm rules. Surely you don't think that it's my responsibility to police your comms and report whenever I see yet another thread attacking our admins and instance? For me, this is a culture issue.

if I may what is the db0 process for handling disputes for mod actions?

We haven't had to establish any particular process. We have an appeals matrix channel if needed, but we haven't had anyone disputing our mod actions yet.

Do you think that if one of your moderators was sent a direct message calling them a piece of shit, you would act differently?

Yes! In fact, I have had some of your users PM me before because I banned them from a community because they were harassing random people. I just laughed at them and then reported and blocked them on the second PM I also receive mention pings from your comms which is how I sometimes find these threads after they've been going on for a while. Lately I've been sometimes searching my alias, since new threads kept popping up so often.

Question: Is there no nuance in your world? Am I some random troll? No, you know very well who I am and why I reacted the way I did, or if you can't possibly understand why I would react so badly and out of character for me, did it not strike you as something that would require some clarification before acting? Because from where I'm standing, you were just looking for an excuse to ban me. Much like that mod who admitted they were just looking for any excuse to ban me from their comm because I annoyed them with my mere existence.

And fair's fair, you can ban whoever you want, but if you do a) don't act like this was some neutral decision and b) don't spread disinfo that I "harassed your admins" because I justifiably insulted one of them, once, after they insulted me first and deleted all my non-rule breaking comments trying to defend our instance from disinfo.

I dispute the accusation that there were 10 different posts, rather there were three that are removed. If there are others, please send me the link so that they can be addressed.

Historically, ever since I upset hexbears by rejecting left-unity, 10 sounds about right. Just off the top of my head there's the one about the removed post where I was banned. The one where they attacked unruffled. The one where they attacked my pfp. The one where they attacked me for posting a meme in /c/anarchism. The three you removed after my meme. I am not keeping links mate, this is not so important to me. But the constant hate trend is undeniable, let's not kid ourselves.

I think you will find there are many threads flinging insults and disinfo about us and I would say that I don’t feel the need to defend, in fact had you or Unruffled heeded my advice about making a non-admin account to comment/post on we would not be in this situation.

How can I possibly comment about the rationale for removing a post in /c/piracy with a pseudonymous account?

As strange as it sounds, I commented inside hexbear threads because I still see some value in your opinions of us. I wouldn't go to a fascist instance to defend myself (I would just defed them). But in order to have any chance to do that inside hexbear, I need an extremely hard shell around me because of the massive toxicity and bad faith I have to face, toxicity which gets thicker and thicker with every new thread about us allowing to fester. So I am compelled to defend my instance as myself when I see disinfo about how we're "defending corporations" or some other typical uncharitable shit. In the last thread, I tried to do this as calmly as humanly possibly while one of your peeps threw ableism in my face, and even that wasn't enough.

Likewise, you don't go to defend yourselves in every reactionary comm because you don't care about their opinions, but you came in this thread to do so, even using an alt to do so,for similar drive to myself. You intuitively understand why I do what I do.

Is it fair to expect the admins to individually review over 3 million comments without having reports to guide us to those made in violation of rules?

Maybe not, it's also not fair to expect us to act as the hexbear police. Your own community should be self-reporting as needed instead of turning a blind eye when it's someone they love to hate.

After all this, I still don't have any hate in my heart for hexbear and I'm probably the only reason we haven't de-federated you. However I don't think it's true for you peeps and I think that's sad that so many in your community are so hell bent on burning this bridge because they can't tolerate me being against "left unity" or being cowered by the constant bullying.

C4RC0S4 ,
@C4RC0S4@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Nor do I have hate for you or the /0 instance in fact in the vote post majority of the hexbear users feel the same way.

There are no downvotes and the culture of commenting dissent might make it feel like there are so many that want to burn the bridge but based on every instance wide federation check in more enjoy /0 and the users than dislike.

I used an alt because you are banned from hexbear so posts you make don't show up, i guess I could've done it in matrix but decided to do it publically. Yeah I care about you and your opinion over every other instance (except the .ml ones, tankies gotta stick together) and despite what you may think didn't want to ban you. Getting a

If you want to develop a culture where users feel safe to report direct messages you need to act on them regardless of who they are. I've banned many longtime hexbear users and moderators for the same thing.

I've removed all the posts regarding you and Unruffled that I was aware of and didn't know that the pfp post was even about you, the primary account I use has avatars disabled. Reporting that post would have helped in getting it addressed. For what it's worth the person you direct messaged actually removed one of the posts about you after it was reported.

Moderation can always improve, just as there were criticisms of the way that the meme in /c/piracy was handled there are criticisms to be made of how moderation is on hexbear communities. Just as there is hate and animosity towards /0 users and admins there is hate and animosity towards hexbear users and admins.

I said you were banned for dm harassment of a moderator, as that is what happened. Had you said the same thing in a comment the action would have likely been different.
I apologize that you've received harassing direct messages and for the unreliable cross-instance reporting.

It is the responsibility of both moderator and user to cultivate a community. With active moderation on one hand and reporting on the other. I don't think it's fair to criticize moderation without doing your part.

I'm saddened that this ended up how it did and apologize for any stress you experienced.

I won't be logging back onto this account for awhile, thanks for your previous comment and i wish you the best.

Socsa ,

You are completely delusional if you think the hexbear admins have any interest in Lemmy beyond trolling and sophomoric information warfare. They very clearly do not care about engaging outside of their community in good faith.

C4RC0S4 ,
@C4RC0S4@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

as a Hexbear admin I endorse this statement, fantastic tagline thank you

db0 OP Mod ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I'm literally getting pinged from inside hexbear after being banned, from people cackling that I can't respond.

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Drama like this is exactly why I laugh when people say its better on lemmy than reddit, its just a different flavor of the same shit when you're on All.

Mastengwe ,

Yep.

TaterTotTits ,

💯

TaterTotTits ,

💯👌

shneancy ,

you put a whole two people in a room and you'll get drama sooner or later. In this regard every place will be the same. At least we more actual people to have drama with, with reddit getting closer and closer to the dead Internet uh, practice (no longer a theory)

WeirdGoesPro ,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

But no ads tho.

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

I use adblock :/

Emmie ,

Yes well turns out it is an innate part of those kind of forums. The more specialised the topic the less drama generally. There is very few places with no drama whatsoever on the web.

Sorry actually it’s quite old post I should stop commenting on old comments truly

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Eh, within a day or two is normal to respond imo, not everyone sees the post immediately.

ArmokGoB ,

Also the Lemmy.ml admins when you call Hexbear accounts tankies

Duamerthrax ,

Or lemmy.ml mods when you say something mildly critical of China or Russia.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Is this getting brigaded? Lmao the downvotes

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Have you read the comments? Plenty of people think this is silly evidently, it's not brigading when a lot of dbz users are hexbear users also

Upvoted comment here:

I don’t care for the drama on Hexbear. And I don’t care for it here either. This post is drama baiting.

That's a reasonable sentiment to me

TaterTotTits ,

?

uienia ,

Yes, definitely not hexbear users gaslighting the crap out of you.

alcoholicorn ,

But honey, you love getting gaslit!

You don't have to be from hexbear to feel like this drama was played out days ago.

empireOfLove2 ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It is a reasonable sentiment, but unfortunately it has to be dealt with if hb is gonna keep triggering said drama, because it's a common recurring theme across multiple instances.

clergywomenpro ,

I think a lot of our users on dbzero are genuinely confused why our admin keeps posting about this, ngl. They're also talking smack on their Matrix channel for some reason despite saying that they think more about us than vice-versa.

It honestly looks like he wants/likes the drama to me.

db0 OP Mod ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Wait what do you you mean "keeps posting"? This is the only thing I've posted about hexbear for months!

Simon ,

Posting rent-free in his mind

TaterTotTits ,

❓️

Simon ,

We're confused? Why do you talk for other people like that's somehow authorative ngl. Not a great thing to insult the intelligence of a whole group with the 'I think' line.

clergywomenpro ,

Not really sure what you mean here tbh. Plenty of people seemed to be downvoting his stance on the matter. I imagine we share a lot of users with hex, so poking the bear seemed like an odd choice.

Simon ,

There you go again dropping huge reaches as if they were facts. Doubt many people here give two flying shits about hexbear.

Mastengwe ,

It absolutely is.

TaterTotTits ,

💯

ArmokGoB ,

The fact we stay federated with them is disgraceful.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Nah, life is all about meeting people with different opinions

TaterTotTits ,

💯

Leate_Wonceslace ,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No, it's about talking with reasonable people with different experiences. Hexbear users aren't reasonable, and largely nowadays, neither are those on .ml; trolls need victims, so they moved over.

Mastengwe ,

Aren’t all Hexbear admins hypocritical pieces of shit? I mean, I thought it was a requirement.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Can't represent the users adequately if you're not one of them.

Mastengwe ,

Shit. That’s a great point. Hadn’t looked at it that way.

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