Conservative Plan Calls for Dozens of Executions if Trump Wins ( www.thedailybeast.com )

A conservative plan for Donald Trump’s potential transition into the presidency calls for dozens of prisoners to be executed, according to HuffPost. An 887-page plan by Project 2025, led by the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation, says that if elected, Trump should make a concerted effort to execute the remaining 40 prisoners on death row. The section’s author, attorney Gene Hamilton, advised that Trump “do everything possible to obtain finality” on the current list of people until Congress forces them to stop. Hamilton is the vice president of America Legal First, a group of former Trump lawyers bent on attacking “woke” companies, headed by Stephen Miller. Trump’s approach to the death penalty stands in stark contrast to that of President Joe Biden, who has openly opposed the death penalty, but done little to move forward legislation to reform or abolish the practice since entering office.

For those of you not in the know Project 2025 is Republicans plan to turn the USA into an authoritarian state.

CharlesDarwin ,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

They are even sicker than most people imagine.

beefbot ,

Let’s be real, they START by executing prisoners
Pretty soon anything but their political party & their religion is made illegal so anyone daring to say otherwise gets arrested / imprisoned / executed.

The first thing Nazis did was make other political parties illegal. That and they came for trans people

dojan ,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s be real, they START by executing prisoners Pretty soon anything but their political party & their religion is made illegal so anyone daring to say otherwise gets arrested / imprisoned / executed.

I mean they openly spoke about this on CPAC. Project 2025 sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's not a theory, it's right out there in the open.

CharlesDarwin ,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

This is why it's especially irritating when the bothsiderists go on with the stuff, or the tankies go on with the thing, or the handwringing over whether journalists should side with democracy and so on.

This stuff is right out in the open. Do bothsiderists, tankies or journalists think they'll be safe under this kind of thing?

dojan ,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I definitely get that. I also get why people don't like Biden. He really oughtn't be president, neither of them ought be candidates, but when the option is between him and Trump, going with Biden is a no-brainer. Trump is literally working to dismantle democracy. He doesn't want people to have a choice, and the choice that you Americans face is laughable as it is.

Mastengwe ,

Remember this when certain bad actors post their propaganda here about how bad Biden will be for a second term. Remind them of this when they post that bullshit.

Call them out.

And vote for your lives.

UncleGrandPa ,

Just getting ready to open the ovens.

(The GOP really really wants ovens )

RampantParanoia2365 ,

My plan only calls for one execution if Trump wins.

Everythingispenguins ,

Trump?

RampantParanoia2365 ,

Donald Schmuck

enbyecho ,

As soon as I read the headline I knew Baby Goebbels was involved.

assassin_aragorn ,

Look, can we just collectively agree -- all of us who are left of center -- to work together and set our differences aside until after this election? Now really isn't the time for us to be divided. We need to first curb stomp the fascists, so we don't all get killed

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    assassin_aragorn ,

    Pretty much. This is going to keep cropping up until we deal a decisive loss to fascism. They need to be beaten by huge margins.

    hypnoton , (edited )

    Huge accumulations of capital are incompatible with democratic governance.

    That's the issue we are not willing to solve.

    Fascists are simply people passionate about infinite capital accumulations. The fascists protect the billionaires by channelling the populist economic discontent toward all manner of scapegoat issues.

    If you don't like fascism you must work to outlaw, and make culturally unacceptable, extreme wealth accumulations.

    https://www.philosophersbeard.org/2012/04/what-to-do-about-rich.html

    Glytch ,

    More like 2004 part 6

    FordBeeblebrox ,

    They actually stole the 2000 election and have come full circle to screaming about the Dems stealing 2020, projection as per usual.

    JdW ,
    @JdW@lemmy.world avatar

    Left of center? You mean left from totally bonkers actual Fascists....

    assassin_aragorn ,

    We're gonna need a bigger tent

    hydrospanner ,

    I don't disagree...but the party-line Democrats have been telling progressives exactly that since the Clinton administration.

    Again, to be clear: I'm happily voting Biden this November, but the Democratic party has become very good at doing just enough to keep their core loyal while also doing nowhere near enough to keep the country out of constant existential peril, effectively cultivating that crisis as a (pardon the pun) trump card that they then use to tell progressives "what you want is less important than the current crisis! Just go along with us in this election and we pinky swear to do more for your causes!".

    They know if they move left they'll be displaced by a combination of progressive candidates and centrists, so they have basically adopted the strategy of keeping the right just dangerous enough to be credible while keeping their left flank secured with a drip feed of snail's pace "progress".

    at_an_angle ,

    I'm voting Biden, but not happily.

    hydrospanner ,

    Israel-Gaza conflict aside...what makes you unhappy about voting for him?

    I have to admit that I wasn't thrilled about voting for him in 2020, but I also have to admit that in the intervening years he has at the very least met my expectations in most areas, and shockingly, he's exceeded them in a few areas.

    As I get older, I've learned from experience to temper my expectations in a president, and with those adjusted expectations, I am surprised to find myself feeling better about voting for Biden in 2024 than I did four years ago.

    TheGalacticVoid ,

    I'm overall happy with Biden except for Afghanistan and Gaza. Given the cards he was dealt with, he seems to be doing an ok job.

    Mastengwe ,

    Afghanistan was mostly Trump.

    TheGalacticVoid ,

    In what way? He established an agreement that the Taliban violated, thereby making it void.

    Mastengwe ,

    This is what I was referring to mostly:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/u-s-review-of-chaotic-afghanistan-withdrawal-blames-trump

    Amoxtli ,

    Taliban are the best government for Afghanistan, you know why? Because democracy failed, socialism failed, liberalism failed. Realistically, the Taliban are the ones who can run a government in that region. We know the US couldn't.

    at_an_angle ,

    I can sum it up in one word: age.

    Look, I'm no spring chicken. My age starts with a 4 now, and it seems the age gap between me and the age of the president hasn't changed.

    I'm just tired of geriatrics running the country.

    CharlesDarwin ,
    @CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

    Same here. I was not wild about him, and figured he'd be even more right of center than Obama was. Turns out to not be the case on quite a few fronts.

    Mastengwe ,

    None of us really are.

    assassin_aragorn ,

    I can't really disagree with you. The issue is we have reached the actual point where the current crisis dwarfs all others. Maybe I was just younger then, but it didn't feel like we had such existential threats in the Bush and Obama years. I remember people said that Romney winning would be the apocalypse, but it's laughable to say that would've been the case in hindsight.

    I think what we can take heart in is that we've been seeing a gradual increase in progressiveness in the party. And not just a small constant increase, but a significantly growing one. There are a nontrivial number of Congressional members who are incredibly progressive, and they've shifted the mood of the party notably leftward. The Inflation Reduction Act was a historic level of climate spending, to the point that Europe felt pressured to pass similar legislation. And the IRA actually closed the corporate tax loophole too -- large corporations raking in billions in profits now have to pay a minimum 15%, even if they could previously loophole their way to $0.

    I wish things were faster. Gaza in particular has highlighted to me just how frustrating it is for things to only improve at a snail's pace. And specifically with Gaza, I don't think the progress is actually amounting to material changes.

    We are seeing material changes in other areas though. Healthcare could be a hell of a lot better, but as someone who relied on Obamacare for a few years, things have actually improved for people. The important thing is that we don't lose heart, and that we keep pushing for better. The US has a rich history of leftists persevering to accomplish women's suffrage, civil rights, labor rights, and gay rights and equality. As long as we press forward, just like they did, we'll be successful. The arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice and good.

    If we could just bury the fascists for good, we could start to make serious progress.

    IndustryStandard , (edited )

    The post headline is very dramatic but it just implies executing death row inmates not every American in existence.

    Mastengwe ,

    The far left calls anyone right of far left- fascists… so no, they have no intention to work together. They’re so far left that they’ve completely circled around into right wing lunacy.

    luciferofastora ,

    Ah yes, they're so intense about fighting capitalist oppression they've circled around to... checks notes defending police brutality and advocating for the further privatisation of every public good and dismantling all worker protections.

    The difference between "eat the rich" and "feed the rich" is really just one syllable, right? Almost negligible.

    (Also, no, they don't call everyone fascist. They just don't think being liberal is enough for change, when the "liberals" of the US have a history of complaining about the things they don't stop the regressives from doing. There's a difference between calling people "naive and spineless" and "actively pursuing oppression".)

    Mastengwe ,

    You buy into pretty much the same propaganda, and are equally as dangerous to democracy… so-

    Yeah. You’re pretty much the same where it actually matters. The rest of it is irrelevant.

    luciferofastora ,

    Dangerous to democracy? Where'd you get that idea? I'm not the one trying to install an authoritarian plutocracy.

    I'm a staunch believer in educated democracy, but that requires education in the first place. Education regressives have been undermining forever, because it would inform the people of their actual democratic power.

    where it actually matters

    Which would be? What, in your opinion, actually matters?

    My priority is a sustainable and enjoyable future. One where you can grow old without worrying about our pension or affording medical care. One where you no longer pay a cut of your work to a person just becaude they're rich already. One where you can do the job you love without worrying about how well it pays or whether you'll get fired.

    The Liberals keep bartering for compromise instead of progress, gradually ceding ground to the Conservatives. The spoiler effect means an actually progressive third party has no chance and risks handing power to the regressives by splitting the vote. Because all the Liberals have to do is "be less bad", you get the choice between right-of-center and far right. This isn't democracy, it's slowly dismantling it.

    I'll take the Liberals, because they're "less bad", but it's not a solution. It's buying time in the hope that we can actually fix the underlying issues.

    Drivebyhaiku ,

    I will say that there is a marked and growing distain for mixed liberal ideologies. There is a lot of this idea that every socialist needs to be some kind of pure strain to count or take basically the Marxist definition as the only viable one. It kind of ignores a couple of centuries of Socialist thought. A lot of people basically think "means of production" means nothing less than everyone working in a co-op and discounts a lot of past socialist wins as "not socialism". It's an important thing to remember about Marx, the world he lived in was very different. Damn near everything at the time was privatized. Water, sanitation, post, fire service, public health and public health regulatory bodies... None of that existed under the perview of Government auspice. Socialist strains more to the legacy of Robert Owens, Daniel De Leon, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and other ethical socialists have had significant wins. Some places took it further than others but the one thing that was allowed to happen in a lot of places was complacency. The 1980's and 90's created a liberal fervor that has continued to walk back a lot of significant wins made by the Socialist movements of the early 1900's and the civil rights movements... But because a lot of the functions of Socialist wins have become the air we breathe people do not associate them with socialism anymore. The issue with peaceful integration is that private gains are always incentivized so complacency cannot be afforded.

    It seems weirdly controversial but Non-Marxist socialists exist. Marx was one very popular voice in a sea of people with somewhat related but sometimes contradictory ideas. Some philosophers have been retro-branded as proto-socialists because they existed before Marx who just coined the term. Looking at his contemporaries there's good reason why he became popular. A lot of what was out there was much drier, committed to peaceful reform. It didn't tap into people's anger or emotion in the same way. Right now we deal with a lot of that issue on the left. It is an old struggle. People who are bombastically angry and turning around and biting people for not being "enough" of something. Not fitting a narrow definition. Half my issue with Communist parties I have looked at joining is they aren't great at being collaborative. Increasingly I have found the argument around "centrism" to stop meaning "people who support the basic status quo" which it seemed to have evolved to being interpretable as for a minute... To a more worrying definition about anyone willing to work across any ideological lines set down by the one guy people bothered to read.

    This use of "centrism" as though it's a plotable point on a map seems to me a worrying fiction. The post moves to create division and self satisfaction where none need exist.

    assassin_aragorn ,

    I disagree. I've met plenty of people who are far left and are all in on working together to stop Trump. Don't be swayed by the terminally online, vocal "leftists". We don't know if they're even genuine people, and they're assuredly the minority.

    I don't want to be judged based on a false stereotype, and I don't think we should judge them on a false stereotype either. The far left is antithetical to Trump.

    Mastengwe ,

    I’d love to believe that is the case, and I’ve no reason to not believe you, but unfortunately- the online representation of the far left is the vocal one. And there are a lot of them. This situation gets helped when you and the ones you represent join the rest of us in standing them down.

    I’ve never seen any leftist vs. leftist conversation. And it would go a long way in warming the waters regarding public opinion.

    beefbot ,

    No they haven’t, and you’re likely just one of them new Russian AI disinformation bots anyway

    Mastengwe ,

    Oh the irony. In your defense of your little group being attacked, you cast aspersions at me in the exact same manner.

    Basically…. “No I’m not! YOU are!”

    And you wonder why it seems everyone thinks you’re a joke here.

    StaySquared ,

    Aww man.. I thought this was about corrupt politicians getting justice.

    Feathercrown ,

    Trump is not capable of justice

    IchNichtenLichten ,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    What's with the influx of dickhead troll accounts recently?

    Snowpix ,
    @Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

    Some people have absolutely nothing better to do with their time. Just point and laugh, they'll take the hint eventually when they don't get the reaction they want.

    Considering it's a brand new account made today, I wouldn't be surprised if it's someone who already got banned and is trying to evade it.

    StaySquared ,

    I'm not a troll.. I am, however, open to discourse. Or are people with differing opinions/views just not allowed?

    barsquid ,

    Jesus: don't abort those fetuses because life begins at conception.

    Also Jesus: fuck these adults, let them fry.

    Very cool and consistent, a serious political party here.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    You frame it as a contradiction, but this is very nakedly the nature of a patriarchal theocracy.

    There's no real conflict between the view of a dictatorial Israeli King as someone who treats woman as chattel and endorses state execution of prisoners. This is all over the old testament and common enough in the New Testament Letters from Paul not to be remarkable.

    Very cool and consistent, a serious political party here.

    They're deadly serious. It's the 1980s all over again, folks.

    chatokun ,

    I grew up JW, and all the scriptures used to fight against abortion are in the first half of the Bible, before Jesus is involved. To quote a certain former Trump staffer...

    Jesus ain't say that.

    Zess ,

    Jesus is an extension of the Christian God so their god says it all.

    chatokun ,

    Most Christian denominations do believe that to some extent, though some (including my example) view them as strictly different beings, with only 1 true God. They view Jesus as next in the hierarchy but still below capital G God, and view the Holy Spirit as just a tool, like say The Force.

    Zess ,

    I guess there's no point arguing for any logic in their religion when they just make it whatever they want lol. But strictly speaking, their god is also Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Kind of what the holy trinity is all about.

    Sam_Bass ,

    Perhaps they should get a taste of their own shit this time

    AshMan85 ,

    "dozens" laughable, he will execute all democrats.

    ABCDE ,

    He didn't do that last time so what is this hyperbole for?

    leadore ,
    @leadore@kbin.social avatar

    Last time he had a bunch of "normal" (old style) republicans in his cabinet, and they stopped him from doing a lot of what he wanted to do. And of course the career civil servants in all the government agencies followed the law and that stymied a lot of his and his minions' schemes--which they learned from. Now they know where the roadblocks to dictatorship are and have had 4 years to come up with plans like project 2025 and others.

    Next time, no one will even try to stop him. Everyone in the cabinet and appointed post will be loyal lackeys who will do whatever trump says. Career civil servants who don't follow illegal or crazy orders will be fired and replaced with those who will. Even the Supreme Court now has the 3 extreme conservatives he appointed along with many many federal/district court judges who were drawn from a list compiled by the same people who authored the project 2025 plans.

    The next time ain't gonna be like last time, folks.

    elbarto777 , (edited )

    There won't be "next," so nice fiction story.

    Edit: I don't care for Trump supporter downvotes.

    Bytemeister ,

    Until November of 2016, most of us didn't think there would be a first time.

    elbarto777 ,

    Sure, but the American people wised up. Why do people forget that Trump lost the reelection while being president?

    Bytemeister ,

    Trump lost, with the second most votes of any presidential candidate ever. More than Obama, more than Hillary. Do not get complacent.

    barsquid ,

    He did election fraud and an insurrection last time that he still hasn't been jailed for, why wouldn't he escalate? Nine people are currently sitting around deciding if maybe a president should be legally permitted to execute their political opponents. Six of them are corrupt shitheads and three of them were appointed by an insurrectionist.

    elbarto777 ,

    No he won't. C'mon. I hate Trump, but don't use the same discourse his fan base uses to fan the flames.

    barsquid ,

    Oh, did SCOTUS rule that presidents cannot do whatever they want? Did one of the lower courts hold him accountable for committing insurrection or election fraud?

    Wake up, friend.

    elbarto777 ,

    Oh I'm woken up. I come from Venezuela. Shit is real over there. No mass executions of the opposition in 25 years of authoritarian rule.

    The U.S. will not get to that extreme either. And if you think that way, it's time for you to out the phone away and enjoy outside more often.

    Dorkyd68 ,

    They want blood. No matter the route. If I can ask anything of my fellow liberals is that you arm yourselfs. I'm not saying we take to the streets with weapons. I'm saying we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins

    dual_sport_dork ,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    Sorry, best we can do is pearl-clutching ourselves into banning everything.

    PoliticalAgitator ,

    I'm not saying we take to the streets with weapons

    Then you're doing nothing but shilling for the gun lobby, who immediately donate millions to the worst Republicans.

    If you're going to advocate guns, you should be willing to tell people what to use them for.

    unreasonabro ,

    I mean that's a pretty stupid thing to say considering everyone knows you'll get your comment removed and probably also your account banned for explaining what should actually be done, what should actually be being done, right now. Maybe eventually everyone will get mad enough that mods will stop standing in the way of what needs to happen, but by then they'll have pulled the plug on the internet anyway..

    borari ,
    @borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Maybe eventually everyone will get mad enough that mods will stop standing in the way of what needs to happen

    It’s a federated platform, if you feel like the mods are standing in the way then leave to another instance.

    PoliticalAgitator ,

    What a joke you are. Are we actually supposed to pretend your guns are more than cosplay props when you're not even willing to risk being banned from anonymous social media to advocate your cause?

    Well I'm not scared of being banned, so take your guns and your pro-gun astroturfing and fuck off.

    Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

    When the nazis came to power, they forcibly took away the guns of their victims. They'd send a squad of SS to your house, surround it, and force you to give up the gun. If you didn't, they'd kill you, if you did, they still got you in the end.

    Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn't survive.

    If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.

    jonne ,

    Yeah, it's a fucking joke to assume that guns are a hedge against fascism. They'll take your guns or shoot you. Maybe there's some protection in being an organised group in the moment, but if they want to get you they'll get you.

    jaybone ,

    Ruby ridge.

    antidote101 ,

    Whilst members of the Weaver family were illegally killed by the government at Ruby Ridge, what's less known is that Randy Weaver was hanging out with people from the Aryan Nation movement, and a believer in the Posse Comitatus theory of law.

    It was White Nationalists that later erased these facts to promote the Weaver's story as they (rightly) believed it would inspire others into their life style.

    Timothy McVeigh cited the story as one of the reasons for his bombing of a federal government building and its daycare centre.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022/05/13/randy-weaver-influential-figure-white-supremacist-militia-movements-has-died

    jaybone ,

    Oh I certainly wasn’t defending him or the white supremacist community he was a part of.

    I was also tempted to mention Wako and the Davidians.

    My point was, no matter how many guns you have, the machine will always win in a gun fight.

    General_Effort ,

    The first thing the nazis did, was purge the bureaucracy. Taking away guns was no concern, at all.

    Privately owned guns played no significant role in the nazis' rise to or hold on power. Anything else is simply marketing by american gun sellers.

    Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn’t survive.

    About 10-15,000 jewish germans survived the holocaust by going underground in Germany. They were colloquially called U-Boote or Illegale. Of course, that has nothing to do with guns. Guns were, after all, handed out to any able-bodied male.

    If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.

    That is only partly true. Germans are only a small fraction of holocaust victims (<5%). The victims overwhelmingly came from eastern Europe, particularly Poland and the Soviet Union. The holocaust happened in the wake of the advancing Wehrmacht. A more far-sighted response to german war preparations would have made a difference. A lesson one must bear in mind in today's world.

    vaultdweller013 ,
    @vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Part of the reason the Nazis didnt face too much resistance is because a possible major for of resistance got purged before their rise. The Spartacists got purged pretty thoroughly by the Freikorps who also used it as an excuse to purge other similar groups.

    Also guns would be one of many different tools in such a resistance scenario, alongside things like car bombs and just stabbing people. Its just convenient to have a long range weapon that requires little training, mind you stealing a gun or manufacturing one would also be viable i guess.

    irreticent ,

    we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins

    We should also all be prepared for the absolute insanity that will ensue if he loses. I fear we will have a more violent insurrection this time around and maybe even local violence in some areas.

    whereisk ,

    Nah, without control of the levers of government they're just terrorists. Don't forget that the government was well warned about Jan 6, and Trump's team actively suppressed preparation and response. It's not going to be the same if Biden is in office.

    Beetlejuice001 , (edited )

    There will be no local violence. His supporters are riding rascals through Walmart, the few that could participate will turn and run when shit gets real, just like 1/6

    elbarto777 ,

    He won't win.

    havocpants ,

    There will be insanity if he's allowed to run at all.

    There should be no way for people to participate in a democracy they have attempted to overthrow, and these fuckers are absolutely going to try again. It will be a shitshow. I hope the US justice system comes through, but it will be a very dangerous time for America if Trump and his cronies are not prosecuted for their crimes before the next election.

    barsquid ,

    I have some bad news.

    StaySquared ,

    Word? Do tell, what will happen if you don't get your way? Make sure it's actual information, per rule #4, misinformation is a bannable offense.

    jordanlund Mod ,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    Even if Trump gets prosecuted for 1/6 before the election, there is ZERO chance it's completed before the election. There will be appeals carrying it on for YEARS.

    That being said too, there's nothing in the charges that would disqualify him on conviction. There SHOULD BE, but there isn't.

    Ideally I'd like to see Congress get their shit together and get a Constitutional amendment that says "Convicted felons are inelligible".

    That would solve the problem right there. Convict him in the Stormy Daniels case, problem solved.

    LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    No, I don't think it would be good to strip felons of their ability to be president. People who protest too hard can get felonies. People who steal too many diapers and infant formula for their kids ($2k worth, which is lower threshold every year due to inflation) can get felonies. The felony system is deeply corrupt. We should restore felon's right to vote.

    We need to fix the issues that elect someone deeply unpopular like Trump in the first place - like gerrymandering and uneven delegates. A vote should just be a vote. We should have approval voting (similar to ranked choice). More fascism isn't the answer.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    execute death row inmates

    = arm yourselves!

    Americans are so silly, you’ll never outgun the US military

    rbesfe ,

    You ever heard of guerilla tactics? An authoritarian army doesn't need to be out gunned to have a really bad time

    ILikeBoobies ,

    Arguing for terrorism, while noble, doesn’t correlate with “buy some guns and sit around”

    The idea of tactics also requires related knowledge and planning that you don’t learn from buying guns

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    You ever heard of guerilla tactics?

    The country of Vietnam lost millions of its people to push out some 50-60k US soldiers. Quite a few of them died in hideous fashion. Burned alive by napalm. Poisoned by nerve gas. Tied up and thrown in a ditch, then buried alive. Tortured in prison camps for weeks, before succumbing.

    We're seeing the same shit play out in Palestine, under the Israeli occupation. Nightmarish brutality inflicted on insurgents, on neighborhoods where those insurgents lived, on friends and family with even the most tangential relationship to the insurgency. On people a thousand miles away who show the most pacifist support for human rights.

    Can a guerrilla war win? Sure. Over 15-30 years, a persistent armed resistance can potentially overcome the cost-constrained and geographically removed military occupation. Will you live to see the end? Ho Chi Min didn't. Sitting Bull didn't. Che Guevera didn't.

    StaySquared ,

    Really.. we're doing this stupid chit again?

    RememberTheApollo_ , (edited )

    This is actually the incarnation of “Defending the Free State” IMO. To be clear, the right to bear arms does not mean you get to attack and overthrow the government, but to defend yourself (along with other states) against any state trying to impose tyranny. The federalist papers posited this (no they’re not law, and they certainly have other issues) and IMO it makes sense, even if it is a view shaped in a time that no longer exists.

    Late edit: you don’t get to attack and overthrow the government because you find some policy inconvenient or irritating personally. Tyranny I think is pretty specific, and has nothing to do with government trying to push things like saving life on earth, incentivizing electric vehicles, someone asking for a different name than their birth gender, or trying to protect kids and everyone else from random or other actors with firearms intent on mass death.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    A highly public series of rapid-fire executions gives Trump some very immediate media "wins".

    And when you review the list of death row inmates its easy to see how conservatives can twist any objection to execution as endorsement of police slayings, carjackings, kidnappings, and child murder.

    Right-wing news will have a field day announcing "Daniel Troya, the man who murdered an entire family in cold blood JUST GOT HIS DAY OF JUSTICE!" with swooping infographics and blaring trumpets. Drag on some Project Veritas stooge with B-roll footage of a crying pink haired college kid and topping it off with "WOKE LIBERALS ARE SO OWNED!" and you'll have a fascist feeding frenzy.

    I’m saying we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins

    Real Helms Deep Hours.

    mozz ,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    Dozens? Surely a lot more than that. He was pretty enthused when it seemed like his political opponents were going to die, last time around; he's just too timid and thick to be able to make it happen through his own volition. In a next time around I think a lot of the guard rails that stopped it from happening would be removed.

    lurch ,

    they strayed so far from what conservatism actually is. it's ridiculous.

    Taalnazi ,

    Conservatism at its core is 'just' wanting to keep the status quo. Which itself is imho already pointless, but it's not too bad.

    It however, is not reactionary.

    These people are reactionary to the mediaeval extent. But we preach to the choir. Try getting those people who themselves believe in those ideas, that they don't work....

    TokenBoomer ,

    Conservatism is a reaction to progress. It’s inherently reactionary.

    unreasonabro ,

    And not only is it in fact inherently reactionary, but there is a personality type associated with it which is low in tolerance for ambiguity, shockingly low in creativity, and high in reactivity. So basically angry, violent, decorticate monkeys.

    (To be "decorticate" is to have had your prefrontal cortex cut out, if you're wondering.)

    vividspecter ,

    The status quo when the term was popularized was a hierarchical society of have and have-nots. If we ever develop a truly egalitarian society rest assured, conservatives will be looking to roll back to what they perceive as the "natural" order.

    XTL ,

    Back to tribalism, essentially.

    cedarmesa ,
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    I thought this too. Current events spurred me to look at history for context. Quoting Ed Abbey; "Neoconservative? Theres nothing new about it, its old as time and evil as hell."

    barsquid ,

    From what they claim conservatism actually is.

    Seraph ,
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    They also plan on killing dozens if he loses. A non-story indeed.

    Cryophilia ,

    Difference is, they'll have much more capability if he wins.

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