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givesomefucks ,

Headline is kind of funny, but I wanted to know what he shot at

In body cam footage shared across social media, the officer was seen jumping to the ground and shouted “shots fired” after the acorn strikes the roof of his car. He then turned and emptied every bullet from his gun, each aimed squarely at his squad car.

Funny again...

While Hernandez fired on the car, Marquis Jackson, who was accused of stealing his girlfriend’s car, was in the back of the police cruiser. Officers had searched, handcuffed and loaded the accused into the back of the police car and, despite being cuffed, it was Jackson that the officer thought was shooting at him.

Nope, he was trying to kill someone handcuffed in the back of his squad car and had already been searched for weapons.

Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.

FlyingSquid ,
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Even if he wasn't trying to kill Marquis Jackson, he clearly didn't care if he killed him.

quirzle ,
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You don't mag dump like that if you don't care. He very much was trying to kill him.

FlyingSquid ,
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You do if you're an idiot and a coward.

quirzle ,
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Would just be an idiot and a coward trying to kill a man.

girlfreddy ,
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... who's handcuffed in your backseat.

The utter stupidity of cops astounds me daily. One would think I'd be used to it now, and yet ...

FlyingSquid ,
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I am not saying he definitely wasn't trying to kill Mr. Jackson intentionally. I'm saying that the other possibility is that he's a stupid coward that empties his clip at his own car because he's terrified and doesn't think about and/or care that there's a person in his car.

Was he intending to kill Mr. Jackson? Maybe. That's definitely not an unlikely possibility. But I think stupid cowardice where the motive wasn't murder is also not unlikely because cops are stupid cowards.

quirzle ,
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I got ya. I'm agreeing that he's a coward and an idiot, but disagreeing that he might not have been trying to murder a guy. He might not have believed it was murder, because of the idiot part...but the video convinced me he was intentionally trying to kill the unarmed man in the back of his car.

originalucifer Admin ,
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this is their training. its SOP to do exactly this.

quirzle ,
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At an active threat, sure. When the dude's been searched, handcuffed, and trapped in the back of a car...there's some personal responsibility, imo.

Deceptichum ,
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So they've been trained to murder and endanger the public?

TheFriar ,

Pretty much. Did he have a clean backdrop? Nah. He was in a fucking neighborhood

AbidanYre ,

He also yelled "I'm hit" while unloading on his own vehicle.

givesomefucks ,

Same as when they think they're doing on fentanyl...

After hearing the sound of the acorn, the deputy reported that he also felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.

Because of this, the video also showed Hernandez complaining about feeling “weird” and shouting to his colleague that he’s been hit. It’s all very dramatic.

Cops are constantly terrified because of their training, so they panic and mistake a panic attack for something else.

Being a cop sucks so much (because of their own leadership and culture) that good qualified people do t want to be a cop. So we end up with these fragile snowflakes that shouldn't be allowed to carry at all. Let alone be a cop

FlyingSquid ,
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These idiots are so convinced that merely touching fentanyl will make them collapse that it actually happens to them.

If fentanyl was that strong, people would buy one bag and it would last for like a year.

HerbalGamer ,
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Imagine a drug you only had to touch. You'd never run out!

SnotFlickerman ,
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What? I always ran out of LSD and all you have to do is touch it because it's skin permeable.

FlyingSquid ,
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True, but fentanyl is generally not. They do make fentanyl patches, but casual exposure, like a cop touching a tiny bit of fentanyl, will not result in fentanyl being absorbed.

SnotFlickerman ,
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I know this, but I was responding to the idea that a drug you could touch and get high from would somehow last forever.

FlyingSquid ,
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I know. I just felt clarification was necessary for people who don't understand the difference.

ShaggySnacks ,

Please don't take away my dream of endless LSD.

Garak ,
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Get yourself a degree in chemistry and you'll be able to make a lifetime supply.

HerbalGamer ,
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Best I can do is ADHD and an internet connection.

Garak ,
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Ahh you'll be fine then!

KevonLooney ,

That's just because you don't know how to make it, and they are selling it to you a few drops at a time. I believe the ingredients are actually pretty cheap. Chemistry students make it.

ivanafterall ,
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Yeah, right. I don't believe you. HOW would they do that? What steps could they possibly take!? What ingredients would they need and where would they even get them!?

frezik ,

We need details, dammit.

More seriously, a friend of mine was a chem student, and he says pretty much every one of his classmates knows how to run off 2 liters of LSD. Which should be enough to send every horse on the planet straight to the moon.

circuscritic ,

Maybe LSA, but probably not LSD.

Synthesizing the drug isn't the issue, as long as you have the right equipment and knowledge. The difficult part is getting the correct precursor chemicals.

PopMyCop ,

I mean, step one: acquire the precursors. Step two: take organic chemistry 1; then organic chemistry 2; perhaps something strange like p chem, or environmental chem or chemical instrumentation; ask the professor between classes how to make it; take another class like drug discovery and design, or advanced organic chemistry....

Step three: make the good stuff.

Pips , (edited )

I am not recommending that anyone do this but you don't need anything more advanced than Orgo 2. The issue isn't making the compound, at least once you have the precursors, it's ensuring that it's not contaminated with other products in a way that harms or kills you. It's not enough to get any yield, you need a safe yield.

PopMyCop ,

That was the joke. You technically don't even need the ochems if you just ask the professor like I said. We're trying to lead kids down the dark road of the chemistry cult.

Pips ,

I took Advanced Orgo for fun so I'm with you.

grue ,

Sell a man some LSD and he trips for a day. Teach a man to make LSD and he trips for a lifetime!

HootinNHollerin , (edited )

Only If it’s wet

circuscritic ,

Not quite. Drugs that can be absorbed through the skin, well, they get absorbed.

It's not an infinite drugs glitch, just like powdered Fentanyl can't be absorbed through the skin.

ShepherdPie ,

Just so we're clear, those cops were tested after that ordeal and had absolutely zero fentanyl in their system.

Sir_Kevin ,
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And the tingling he felt was just piss running down his leg.

NuXCOM_90Percent ,

Yeah... I am sure there are some idiots who believe in the horrors of fentanyl.

The reality is it is a catch all to excuse all the other drugs in their systems. If someone notices a cop is clearly amped up on amphetamines then the reality is that someone in the tri-state area had a single particle of fentanyl on them and THAT is why the cop who just killed four people is alternating between growling and crying while looking even sweatier than alex jones.

jaybone ,

Does fentanyl amp you up? I would think it would make you super mellow.

NuXCOM_90Percent ,

Fentanyl does whatever you want it to baby. Just so long as that involves beating your wife and kids when there isn't a black kid nearby.

Fentanyl itself is an opiod so it is a downer. But fentanyl, as reported by the media and embraced by cops, is a magic wonderdrug where a single particle in a hundred mile radius will instantly infect every cop through enough PPE that they could survive a zombie infestation and make them do whatever crazy shit they got caught doing.

Theprogressivist ,
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My goodness what a fucking snowflake. Maybe you shouldn't be in the profession if you're "scared shitless" 99% of the time. But we all know that's a cover for them. They love killing people.

Fedizen ,

good people get fired as cops because they hesitate to shoot unarmed people and won't lie for officers doing questionable things.

JoMiran ,
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...fragile snowflakes that shouldn't be allowed to carry at all.

Yeah but deputy tacticool has holo sights. Not wasted on him at all.

Poor Durango.

Lucidlethargy ,
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Training? What training?

assassinatedbyCIA ,

Is he trying to use the South Park ‘He’s coming right for us’ defense?

Kbobabob ,

Aren't they all?

JoMiran ,
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"It hit my vest" and "I feel weird". Them be signs that his fat ass has coronary artery disease. Fucking Okaloosa County. Good riddance. Don't miss it.

Beldarofremulak ,

I deal with PTSD vets every day so I understand the snap buuuuut.... No one else gets to get away with a slap on the wrist because of their mental illness so fuckem

FaceDeer ,

Yeah. The "having PTSD" part isn't what should be punished, it's the "and yet still carrying a gun while putting yourself in a position to have your PTSD triggered like this" part that's egregious.

TheFriar ,

Well, Philip Brailsford, the murderer who murdered Daniel Shaver, claimed PTSD for murdering Daniel so he could draw on his pension and retire early. Because he murdered someone and it hurt his fee-fees.

Fuck that.

FaceDeer ,

Indeed fuck that, but I don't see what it has to do with what I said.

TheFriar ,

I was making the point that even the “has PTSD” is egregious when it comes to cops.

givesomefucks ,

I mean. Being in combat and being a cop are two different things.

Maybe this guy was in a shootout and has PTSD, maybe this is the only time he's ever fired on duty and he's just a coward who panicked.

KevonLooney ,

During the course of the investigation into the shooting, deputy Herandez resigned from the force.

WarmSoda ,

Oh wow. Good for him. I'm honestly surprised.

Deceptichum ,
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Many times cops retire to avoid being investigated and move to a different department.

TheFriar ,

Yeah at this point we should assume the worst until proven otherwise.

Maggoty ,

And most of us would still wait for an actual target in a built up area.

Deceptichum ,
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No where in the article does it mention PTSD.

daltotron ,

See I'm like, I don't even think you could qualify most of the things you would do to this guy as being punishment. Preventing this guy from being a cop forever (pretty unlikely, but could happen), isn't really a punishment. If he's discharging his firearm into his own car, he's obviously just unfit to be an officer and that's a pretty clear safety concern. If you sent him to prison, that might be more of a "punishment", but that's also, you know, what cops do basically their whole careers, is send people to prison, and we still have all the same problems with the prison system as we've always had, so, you know, I'm like. I dunno. That doesn't seem like a clear "win", to me, both in terms of improving society and in terms of helping him out if he's mentally ill which, you know, seems to clearly be the case, here.

You could also maybe think, hey, this guy goes to an asylum or something for mental illness, but that kind of has the same problems as sending someone to prison, it's not usually a helpful system.

Telodzrum ,

Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.

The review board found his conduct was not reasonable; so, it'll be up to the prosecutor (which I'm sure in FL is an office eager to go after cops). The other officer, who began shooting after the officer wearing the bodycam in the OP began shooting, was found to have acted reasonably.

Essentially, you can't think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn't make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.

octopus_ink ,

Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.

IIRC Sympathetic Fire seems to be insta-forgiveness (by other police and the courts) whenever it comes up.

As one example, I think it played a role in the Daniel Shaver case, but it's been a long time since I read all those details and I really don't want to dive into that pool of anger and sadness again to verify.

theneverfox ,
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Nah, it kind of makes sense for the second guy.

Remember, he's not getting triggered by the acorn, he's reacting to his coworker yelling that they've been shot and actual gunfire. That's a justified reason to pull out your weapon IMO

Granted, he should've tried to take control of the situation and de-escalate so he could "save" his panicked coworker, but that kind of calmness "under fire" would take actual training

Wrench ,

It does mean that the assisting officers aren't required to actually confirm their target, though.

What if this was real. If a 3rd party shot at them. 1st officer fires, blindly assuming it's the perp in cuffs in the car. 2nd cop shoots and kills perp in car because he saw that's what his partner was shooting at. When, in this hypothetical scenario, it was really a 3rd party that wasn't identified yet, which would be the only plausible source of a gun shot anyway since the perp was already searched and cuffed.

That doesn't make sense to me, but that's how they're trained. Ride or die with their comrads. Once the first shot is fired, it's shoot first and ask questions later for all additional officers.

That's not good policy. That's not good for civilians.

daltotron ,

It's not a great policy, but it's a decision that, you know, has ups and downs either way. On one hand, if you have a particularly sharp officer who can peep out someone shooting at them, locate where that person is, and then fire back and understand exactly what they're shooting at. It would be better if that officer was able to also get their partner to follow their instructions, rather than relying on their partner, who, you know, being part of the police, might not be a sharp, and might not really be able to understand what's going on or what to do without external instruction.

That's if you have it as a kind of top down encompassing training thing, but that's really kind of the stupidest way to handle it. It's why the military has rank, and specialists, and roles, you can have a more clear chain of command where the more capable can, at least theoretically, rise to the top and be able to give those instructions. But then, none of this really prevents the person above you snapping randomly, and deciding to shoot a detained and searched person because of an acorn. Of all of what I've said, cops have a very mild amount of ranks and shit, too, but they're obviously subject to much less training, have more uniform ranks, and, like the military, they're very insular and have very little faith in anything but themselves. So more often than not they're just going to all collectively default to kind of whatever will keep them the "safest", which is going to be killing everyone around them that twitches kind of weird. Internal to the police, the life of every cop is worth infinitely more than the life of a criminal, and even the life of your average civilian, or, better put in their terms, potential criminal. When realistically it should be the opposite, but yeah.

I dunno, I kind of think sometimes that, I dunno if it's just a lack of news reaching over here from other countries, but I never hear about police brutality from other countries nearly as much. Maybe in britain, and france, and places where I can kind of think, oh, yeah, the power structure above them is kind of fucked up, america style, but maybe a little less so. But, so, I kind of wonder if police corruption is really it's own internal thing, and we should just abolish the police, like everyone says, or if it's really just every overarching power structure that's actually fucked up, and if we were like, finland, everything would be fine, cause I've not really heard a lot about the police of finland being super corrupt. Basically, I wonder if we target the symptom, and not the problem, because the police are obviously the slammer, you know, they're the pog which gets thrown by the long arm of history to flip everything over, they're the direct force that anyone who's doing any political action, or anyone who's a victim of the government, they're who they interface with. But is that because they're intrinsically a problematic institution, or is that because they're just the face, just the tool? I dunno. I find myself wondering that, in the face of, you know, so much evidence that the police is full of like, fucking morons.

danc4498 ,

Keep in mind, this is Florida. It is perfectly legal to murder anybody if you can prove that you felt threatened.

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